29 April 2013 @ 07:14 am
Anthropology and horse training  
The idea that humans are the pinnacle of creation, that only humans are capable of higher brain functions, that emotions are unique to humans, and that communication and social structure and culture in general are human traits and no other animal shares them, is falling into disrepute . . .

Judith Tarr talks about it here.
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Chiara Castelnuovo-McKenzie: lizziecmcmck on April 29th, 2013 02:16 pm (UTC)
You'd have to be uniquely arrogant to believe that if you'd ever looked at the social interractions of elephants or orangs or whales or so many other beings!
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 29th, 2013 04:50 pm (UTC)
And there are some very, very arrogant scientists. Ditto about "Dogs do not have emotions!"
Sue Burkemount_oregano on April 29th, 2013 09:17 pm (UTC)
I have seen dogs lie -- "I'm so deaf I can't hear you," for example. The dog knew he was hard of hearing, but sometimes he would pretend to be worse than he was if he didn't like what he heard. This is very complex social behavior.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 29th, 2013 09:34 pm (UTC)
I had a bulldog once who played very complex eye games.
Anderyn Gabrielanderyn on April 29th, 2013 03:11 pm (UTC)
Fascinating article by Tarr, and even more fascinating article she linked to. It makes sense, and yet... it's so hard to wrap your mind around.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 29th, 2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
I know! Yet it really does make sense!
Erik Amundsen: Crowcucumberseed on April 29th, 2013 03:50 pm (UTC)
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 29th, 2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
a curious collection of circumstancesyouraugustine on April 29th, 2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
I always have a mild dissonance with the assigning "traditional training" to the abusive crap, because various branches of my family have been doing it the other way - the cooperative way - for generations and spoken with UTMOST disdain of anyone who needed coercive, violent crap to train a horse.

So, like. How are we defining "traditional"? Cuz if cooperative methods were around for many-greats-grampa Joe to learn them as a matter of course, that seems pretty trad to me.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 29th, 2013 05:05 pm (UTC)
Good question to put directly to Judith Tarr, I think.
bunnbunn on April 29th, 2013 07:11 pm (UTC)
One day we will finally start to explore therolinguistics...

The things that have been done to our aunts and uncles among the great apes in the name of that twisted, unscientific idea are utterly horrific. How people can torture an animal that looks and acts so very nearly like a human child - and still manage to fool themselves that somehow her suffering isn't real is beyond me.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 29th, 2013 07:13 pm (UTC)
Oh, don't get me started.
Kalimac: Sevenkalimac on April 29th, 2013 09:10 pm (UTC)
I knew better than that. I have cats.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 29th, 2013 09:34 pm (UTC)
rasmusbrasmusb on April 30th, 2013 07:52 pm (UTC)
Saw a documentary on this once (Nat Geo -- I think?) -- well sort of. I recall some of it being about whether animals could be 'friends'. There was an example on a farm full of 'rescued' animals.

One of the animals was a old gelding & goat. When the gelding lost sight in his right eye, the owner noticed that the goat would stay on the 'sighted' side of the horse's head. When the gelding completely lost his sight, the goat would still 'escort' the now blind horse to his favorite pasture & then back to the barn later.

The goat would walk a few paces ahead of the horse, stopping when necessary -- I guess the horse followed by scent & sound? It was really sweet.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on April 30th, 2013 07:57 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes, that sounds awesome.

Animals definitely have besties, among both animals and humans.
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