18 May 2014 @ 06:37 pm
Frozen  
I finally got to see it.

What a delightful movie! While I think it could have used fewer songs and more character development, especially of Elsa, I laughed out loud at her reaction to Anna's love at first sight, echoed later by Sven's. That whole twist was quite a change from poor dear Briar Rose, pretty but passive as all get out. The climactic arc with the kiss of true love was even better.

There were some beautiful bits, too, making me want to Netflix it again and put it on our really big screen.
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Queen of the Skiesqueenoftheskies on May 19th, 2014 01:48 am (UTC)
I thought it was a really awesome change of pace for Disney.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 01:52 am (UTC)
Wasn't Brave theirs, too? They have been heading toward feisty princesses.
Queen of the Skiesqueenoftheskies on May 19th, 2014 01:58 am (UTC)
Yes, it was, and another great one. I am so glad they're headed this direction.
Lenora Rose: Innocentlenora_rose on May 21st, 2014 09:25 pm (UTC)
Brave was Pixar, which is separate enough from Disney that they've already got a reputation for doing things Disney "won't". But Merida was adopted wholeheartedly into the Disney Princess line which tends to confuse the issue.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 21st, 2014 09:29 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I rarely remember who does what--including Marvel and the other comics conglomerates.
negothicknegothick on May 19th, 2014 01:57 am (UTC)
I loved the film as well--the building of the ice palace had me gasping with awe. I did love the snowman (especially his sad song wishing for summer). And I cannot figure out HOW they reached this movie by starting with "The Snow Queen."
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 02:05 am (UTC)
IMo, the farther they get from Hans Christian Andersen's hatred of little girls, the better.

Yeah, I was thinking of the building of that ice palace. Wow. I was watching that as I pedaled away on my exercise bike, thinking, "This really needs to be BIG.")
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 02:07 am (UTC)
I loved the snowman, though I have to admit I found his song boring (and his wish for summer, while it was nearly 100 degrees in the house at nine o'clock that night, was totally unsympatico)--I would have liked more personality and less la-la-la.
asakiyume: turnip lanternasakiyume on May 19th, 2014 02:47 am (UTC)
He did have some funny lines--like when he pointed out the staircase going precisely where they wanted to go, or the line that the Healing Angel suddenly blurted out this morning:

"I don't have a skull. Or bones."

Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 05:08 am (UTC)
some of the snowman's comments were a crackup!
mamcumamculuna on May 19th, 2014 02:13 am (UTC)
I was particularly delighted because I've always though of the story as a metaphor for male/female relations, and it was so good to see the frozen heart as not a man's but a woman's.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 02:19 am (UTC)
Yes! There was some nice gender play here and there. Much appreciated.
Faelarielfaelariel on May 19th, 2014 02:24 am (UTC)
Wasn't it so pretty? I loved it too. Definitely a big screen movie.
I agree about the character development, but I got the deluxe soundtrack where they explain about how they used to have a whole other plot line that had to do with Elsa and a prophecy...you should check it out!
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 02:25 am (UTC)
I will definitely have to check that out, thanks.
Faelarielfaelariel on May 19th, 2014 02:31 am (UTC)
There are some cute songs by kids on it about a pageant that presents the prophecy and also some first sketches of the Anna/Elsa duets.
asakiyume: definitely definitelyasakiyume on May 19th, 2014 02:44 am (UTC)
I saw it just this past week too, and really liked it. We really liked how the true love, and the double saving (each of the other) worked out.
wild_patiencewild_patience on May 19th, 2014 03:11 am (UTC)
We just watched it last night (for the first time). I liked it a lot, but while I enjoy Idina Menzel, I didn't think her voice was right for the role. If you're going to have a cold snow queen, she shouldn't have a warm, earthy mezzo voice. A cold soprano sound would have fit the character better.

Still, I thought the movie was really more Anna's story than Elsa's, and I liked Kristen Bell's voice work, both spoken and sung.

But hey, what was up with that kinky relationship with the reindeer? When did Disney start approving bestiality?
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 05:07 am (UTC)
*snrk*
Lucy Huntzingerathenais on May 19th, 2014 03:20 am (UTC)
I saw it in January and thought it was delightful. Really great on the big screen! I was prepared to hate the snowman, I usually loathe Disney's comic sidekicks, but he wasn't bad at all. I did have trouble telling the plot to John when I got home.
madrobinsmadrobins on May 19th, 2014 02:22 pm (UTC)
My daughters had had a feud for several years that was well beyond the omigod-siblings thing; in many ways, the plot of Frozen sketched it out. When younger daughter saw it she wept, and said that her sister would never see in it what she had. A month or so later, older daughter saw it and wrote a long, thoughtful Facebook post (because nothing is done but on Facebook) about her reaction to the movie--in which it was clear that she saw the same things in Frozen that her sister had.

It broke the ice. They are now in contact, texting and Skyping and and planning to visit their grandparents together in June (this would have been unthinkable in November. In a very real sense, Disney broke a logjam that neither their parents nor anyone else had been able to break through.

Plus: the Prince does not save the day, and the sisters do not wind up Happily Ever Paired Off. What is not to love?
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 03:21 pm (UTC)
I loved that the prince turned out to be a nut knuckle.

Re the girls, a good sign they are growing up!

Edited at 2014-05-19 03:22 pm (UTC)
movingfingermovingfinger on May 19th, 2014 03:24 pm (UTC)
I was puzzled by the ending, because I've watched it twice now (admittedly, seatback video, but still), and I don't see Elsa actually kissing Anna. She throws her arms around her and sobs. Is something cut from the airplane version?
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 03:25 pm (UTC)
The kiss isn't necessary, it's an act of love--Anna and the trolls assume that it has to be a kiss.
movingfinger: Indicomovingfinger on May 19th, 2014 03:40 pm (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying that!

I felt that the plot kind of skidded partway through---a substantial change of authorial direction. I didn't mind the way it progressed, but in my first viewing, I expected that after her conversation with Kristoff Anna would be given a growth arc and decide independently to put off choosing whom to marry (perhaps with an implication: she will end up with Kristoff in the end) rather than being forced by monologuing evil guy who essentially removes himself from her affections. Possibly that would have too closely resembled the ending of Brave for the Disney scriptwriters, but it would have been emotionally more solid and growth-demonstrating for Anna.

For me, the snowman character did not stay on the right (comical) side of creepiness.

The landscapes and interiors were my favorites from any Disney movie ever, and the girls' parents were splendid. The ice-cutting opening number was wonderful, but there was a certain feeling of headed-for-Broadway throughout.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 04:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah--there was some fast dancing to get the emotional arcs to the right points, I felt, but still I enjoyed it overall.
Kristenk_10b on May 19th, 2014 03:44 pm (UTC)
not that I don't love it
but Frozen has some problems the more you think about it...
check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ThvBNZdGcQ
Jettewolfette on May 19th, 2014 06:49 pm (UTC)
best song in it for me was that first male-voice-folk song. The rest of the music, meh, it was ok, but that song as the men cut the ice - oh boy!
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 19th, 2014 07:04 pm (UTC)
Yes! I felt the same!
Joshua Kronengoldmneme on May 20th, 2014 01:38 am (UTC)
We finally watched it again (which we'd resolved not to do until we owned it)! It stood up really well, although Hans's character arc (as it were) is still quite weak.

I do think the 3D (we have a 3D TV, so bought the movie in 3D from across the pond) adds something -- it's mostly used fairly subtly--to add depth to the character faces and make the snow feel more real. Not necessary, but not obtrusive and nice.

Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 20th, 2014 01:43 am (UTC)
Oh, I could see how the 3D would be splendid with that castle, and the town under ice, etc.
anna_wing on May 20th, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)
Yes, the best song was the one at the start,which was creepy and wonderful, and completely different from the rest of the film.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 20th, 2014 01:49 am (UTC)
YES! I heard that and really looked forward to the music for once. But no, sigh. Some pleasant tunes, and a lot of deedle-deedle ones.
anna_wing on May 20th, 2014 03:14 am (UTC)
There was apparently some criticism that Kristoff was meant to be Sami, and of course that the portrayal was Inaccurate. That surprised me, because the only Sami I've ever met looked like a Japanese film star, so it didn't occur to me at all that Kristoff was meant to be one.
(Anonymous) on May 20th, 2014 03:24 am (UTC)
Yeah . . . the country was as generic Disney-fairy tale as all the music, in spite of the reindeer and a fjord, and that one song by Cantus.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 20th, 2014 03:24 am (UTC)
Sigh, that was me.
Jules (writing when she gets work): evergreenseajules on May 20th, 2014 04:06 am (UTC)
I love it. I have all sorts of "I would love it more ifs," but just being able to make the base statement about a Disney Princess flick is pretty impressive, for me, especially one that mucks with this particular mythos.
Sherwood Smithsartorias on May 20th, 2014 01:15 pm (UTC)
Yep.
kith_kobykith_koby on June 3rd, 2014 05:49 am (UTC)
Oh, there is so much to say about this movie, and I completely forgot for so long... In any case, I wanted to share this wonderful piece of analysis with you. There are so many in depth discussion of Frozen, and they're almost all wonderful, but this one I found to be especially brilliant, especially given who it focuses on: http://professorspork.tumblr.com/post/73059146779/lets-talk-about-papa-king-arendelle-how-much-do-you
I hope you enjoy it, and tell me so if you do!
Sherwood Smithsartorias on June 3rd, 2014 08:46 pm (UTC)
Indeed that was good. Nodding at the comment about lateral moves.
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